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Letters & Polemics (CSEL) 25 part 14/16

Latin original · 38 verses · some words can be tapped for a gloss · long chapter, split into parts; this part covers 25:530–25:567 (616 verses in all)

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25:530
nam cum de magis loqueretur, quorum tamen, inquit, praecipuus Ostanes et formam ueri dei negat conspici posse et angelos ueros sedi eius dicit adsistere. in quod et Plato pari ratione consentit et unum deum seruans ceteros angelos uel daemonas dicit. Hermes quoque Trimegistus unum deum loquitur et eum inconprehensibilem adque inaestimabilem confitetur. si ergo isti uenissent ad percipiendam christianam salutem, non eis utique diceretur: <hoc malum habetis\' uel \'falsum habetis,\' sed plane merito diceretur:
For when he was speaking of the magi, he says: 'Yet the chief of them, Ostanes, both denies that the form of the true God can be beheld, and says that true angels stand by His throne. In which Plato likewise agrees on the same principle, and, keeping one God, calls the rest angels or demons. Hermes Trismegistus too speaks of one God, and confesses Him to be incomprehensible and inestimable.' If, therefore, these men had come to receive Christian salvation, it would certainly not be said to them: 'You have this evil' or 'You have this false thing,' but rightly and deservedly it would be said:
因為當他論及術士時,他說:「然而他們中間的首領奧斯塔涅斯,既否認真神的形像可被看見,又說真天使侍立在祂的寶座旁。柏拉圖也按同一原理與此相合,並且持守一位神,稱其餘的為天使或精靈。三重偉大的赫爾墨斯也講論一位神,並承認祂是不可測度、不可估量的。」因此,這些人若曾來領受基督徒的救恩,斷不會對他們說:「你們有此惡事」或「你們有此虛假之事」,倒要合宜而理當地對他們說:「」
25:531
hoc uobis quamuis integrum et uerum nihil tamen prodesset, nisi ad Christi gratiam ueniretis.\' si ergo in ipsis ethnicis potest aliquid diuinum inueniri recteque adprobari, quamuis eis salus adhuc a Christo praestanda sit, non oportet nos ita moueri, etiamsi peiores sint haeretici, ut quod in eis malum ipsorum est uelimus corrigere et quod in eis bonum Christi est nolimus agnoscere. sed iam ceteras huius concilii sententias pertractandas ab alio suscipiemus exordio. LIBER SEPTIMUS. Non simus molesti legentibus, si eadem uarie ac saepe disserimus.
'This thing you have, although whole and true, would nevertheless profit you nothing, unless you were to come to the grace of Christ.' If, therefore, even in the heathen themselves something divine can be found and rightly approved — although salvation is still to be bestowed upon them by Christ — we ought not to be so moved, even if heretics be worse, as to wish to correct in them what is their own evil, and yet be unwilling to acknowledge what in them is the good of Christ. But now we shall take up the remaining sentences of this council to be treated from another beginning. BOOK SEVEN. Let us not be troublesome to our readers, if we discuss the same matters variously and often.
「你們所擁有的這事,雖然完整而真實,卻於你們毫無益處,除非你們來到基督的恩典。」因此,若連在外邦人自己身上都能尋見某些神聖之物並得以正確地認可——雖然救恩仍要由基督賜給他們——我們就不當如此被激動,以致即使異端者更壞,我們就想要糾正他們身上那本屬他們自己的惡,卻不願承認他們身上那屬基督的善。但如今,我們要從另一個起頭,著手處理這公會議其餘的裁決。第七卷。倘若我們把同樣的事屢次以不同方式加以論述,願我們不致使讀者厭煩。
25:532
quamquam enim ecclesia sancta catholica in omnibus gentibus aduersus ea, quae in ista quaestione de baptismo, utrum et aput haereticos uel schismaticos idem possit esse qui est in catholica, nonnullam caliginem offundunt, priscae consuetudinis et concilii plenarii auctoritate munita sit, tamen, quia non contemnendis uiris et maxime Cypriano in ipsa unitate aliquando aliter uisum est, eius uti aduersum nos auctoritate conantur qui longe ab eius caritate remoti sunt. propterea cogimur ex opportunitate tractandi et considerandi omnia, quae .
For although the holy Catholic Church throughout all nations is fortified by the authority of ancient custom and of a plenary council against those things which, in this question concerning baptism—whether the very thing which exists in the Catholic Church can also exist among heretics or schismatics—cast some fog of obscurity; nevertheless, because to men not to be despised, and above all to Cyprian, it once seemed otherwise while yet within the very unity, those who are far removed from his charity attempt to use his authority against us. For this reason we are compelled, as the occasion for discussing and considering arises, to weigh all those things which…
雖然遍及萬國的神聖大公教會,靠著古老慣例與全體會議權威的保障,足以抵禦那些在此洗禮問題上——即在大公教會中所具有者,是否也能存在於異端或分裂者當中——所散布的疑雲;然而,因為對於不可輕視之人,尤其是對居普良,他在合一之中曾一度另有看法,那些遠離他愛德的人便企圖以他的權威來對付我們。因此,隨著討論與省思的時機,我們不得不逐一衡量一切……
25:533
in eius concilio de hac re litterisque conperimus, hanc eandem quaestionem aliquanto diutius tamquam in manibus uersare et ostendere, quam uerius uniuersitati ecclesiae catholicae placuerit, ut haeretici uel schismatici, qui iam Christi baptismum illic unde ueniunt acceperunt, in catholicam communionem cum illo admittantur ab errore suo correcti, in caritate radicati adque fundati, ut, quod adtinet ad baptismi sacramentum, non adsit quod deerat, sed prosit quod inerat. et beatus quidem Cyprianus, iam corpore quod corrumpitur non adgrauante animam nec deprimente terrena inhabitatione sensum multa cogitantem, serenius perspicit ueritatem, quam meruit adipisci per caritatem.
…that we find in his council and its letters concerning this matter, turning this same question over somewhat longer, as it were, in our hands, and showing how much more truly it has pleased the universal Catholic Church that heretics or schismatics—who have already received the baptism of Christ there whence they come—should be admitted into Catholic communion, corrected from their error, rooted and grounded in charity, so that, as regards the sacrament of baptism, what was lacking should not be added, but what was already present should be made profitable. And the blessed Cyprian indeed—now that the body which is corrupted no longer weighs down the soul, nor the earthly dwelling depresses the mind that ponders many things—more serenely beholds the truth which he deserved to attain through charity.
……我們在他的會議記錄與書信中就此事所發現的,將這同一問題稍久地彷彿置於手中反覆思量,並顯明大公教會全體更真確地認為:那些異端或分裂者——他們在所出之地已領受了基督的洗禮——當從錯謬中被糾正、在愛德中生根立基之後,便可被接納入大公的共融;如此,就洗禮聖事而論,並非補上所缺者,而是使原本已有者發生功效。誠然,蒙福的居普良如今既不再有那朽壞的身體壓抑心靈、也不再有屬地的居所拖累那思慮萬事的心智,便更為安然地看見了他藉愛德配得獲致的真理。
25:534
adiuuet itaque nos orationibus suis in istius carnis mortalitate tamquam in caliginosa nube laborantes, ut donante domino bona eius quantum possumus imitemur.
Therefore may he aid us by his prayers, as we labour in the mortality of this flesh as in a fog-laden cloud, that by the Lord's gift we may imitate his good qualities as far as we are able.
因此,願他以禱告扶助我們這些在此肉身之必死性中、彷彿在昏濛雲霧中勞苦掙扎的人,好使我們藉著主的恩賜,盡己所能地效法他的美善。
25:535
si quid autem aliter sensit et quibusdam fratribus collegisque persuasit, quod nunc eo quem dilexit reuelante iam cernit, nos longe inpares meritis suis ecclesiae tamen catholicae auctoritatem, cuius ipse egregium et carissimum membrum est, pro nostra infirmitate sectantes aduersus haereticos uel schismaticos enodemus, quos praecisos ab unitate quam tenuit et arescentes a caritate qua uiguit et elapsos ab humilitate qua stetit tanto amplius inprobat adque condemnat, quanto magis eos nouit ad insidiandum perscrutari uelle quod scripsit et ad pacificandum imitari nolle quod fecit;
But if he thought otherwise in some matter, and persuaded certain brethren and colleagues of it—a thing which now, revealed by Him whom he loved, he already perceives—let us, far unequal to his merits yet following, according to our weakness, the authority of the Catholic Church, of which he himself is a distinguished and most dear member, unravel the question against heretics or schismatics. These, cut off from the unity which he held, withering away from the charity by which he flourished, and fallen from the humility by which he stood, he all the more reproves and condemns, the more he knows that they wish to scrutinize what he wrote in order to lay snares, yet are unwilling, for the sake of making peace, to imitate what he did.
但假若他在某事上另有看法,並說服了某些弟兄與同工——這事他如今藉他所愛之主的啟示,已然明察——那麼,讓我們這些遠不及他功德的人,按著自己的軟弱,跟從那位他本身也是傑出而至親肢體的大公教會之權威,來對付異端或分裂者,把這問題辨明。這些人既從他所持守的合一中被割離、從他所盛放的愛德中枯萎、從他所站立的謙卑中墜落,他便愈發斥責、定他們的罪;因為他愈知道他們想要細究他所寫的以設下陷阱,卻不願為締造和平而效法他所行的。
25:536
sicut illi, qui se christianos Nazarenos uocant et more Iudaico carnalia praeputia circumcidunt, nati haeretici ex illo errore, in quem Petrus deuians a Paulo reuocatus est, in hoc adhuc usque persistunt. sicut ergo illi Petro in primatu apostolorum martyrii gloria coronato in sua peruersitate praecisi ab ecclesia remanserunt, sic isti Cypriano per abundantiam caritatis in sortem sanctorum passionis claritate suscepto se ipsos exsules unitatis agnoscunt et contra unitatis patriam pro suis calumniis ciuem unitatis obponunt. iam itaque ceteras illius concilii sententias eadem ratione uideamus. Marcus a Mactari dixit:
Just as those who call themselves Nazarene Christians and, after the Jewish manner, circumcise the foreskins of the flesh—heretics born from that very error into which Peter deviated and from which he was recalled by Paul—persist in this even to the present day. Therefore, just as those, when Peter had been crowned in the primacy of the apostles with the glory of martyrdom, remained cut off from the Church in their own perversity, so these, when Cyprian through the abundance of charity had been received into the lot of the saints by the renown of his passion, acknowledge themselves as exiles from unity, and against the fatherland of unity, on behalf of their slanders, set up a citizen of unity as their advocate. And so now let us examine the remaining opinions of that council by the same reasoning. Marcus of Mactaris said:
正如那些自稱拿撒勒基督徒的人,依猶太人的方式行肉身包皮的割禮——他們是從彼得偏離、後又被保羅召回的那錯謬中所生的異端——直到今日仍執迷於此。所以,正如那些人,當彼得在使徒之首的地位上以殉道的榮耀受冠冕時,卻在自己的悖謬中被割離教會而留存;照樣,這些人,當居普良憑愛德的豐盈、藉其受難的顯赫被接入眾聖徒的份中時,卻承認自己是合一的流亡者,並為其誣衊之故,抬出一位合一的公民來對抗合一的家鄉。如今讓我們以同樣的理路查考那會議其餘的意見。馬提利的馬爾谷說:
25:537
Mirandum non est, si haeretici hostes adque inpugnatores ueritatis rem sibi uindicant potestatis et dignationis alienae. illud mirandum est quod quidam nostri praeuarica tores ueritatis haereticis suffragantur et christian is aduersantur. propterea decreuimus haereticos baptizandos esse . Huic respondemus: Immo magis mirandum est et magna laude praedicandum, quod tantum isti dilexerint unitatem, ut, quos praeuaricatores ueritatis arbitrabantur, cum eis in unitate perseuerantes ab eis pollui non timerent. nam cum iste dixisset: illud mirandum est quod quidam nostri praeuaricatores ueritatis haereticis suffragantur et christianis aduersantur, uidebatur esse dicturus:
'It is no wonder if heretics, being enemies and assailants of the truth, claim for themselves a matter belonging to another's power and dignity. This is what is to be wondered at: that certain of our own people, betrayers of the truth, side with heretics and oppose Christians. Therefore we have decreed that heretics must be baptized.' To this we reply: Nay rather, it is far more to be wondered at, and to be proclaimed with great praise, that these men so loved unity that, though they judged them to be betrayers of the truth, in persevering with them in unity they did not fear to be defiled by them. For when he had said, 'This is what is to be wondered at, that certain of our own people, betrayers of the truth, side with heretics and oppose Christians,' he seemed about to say:
「異端既是真理的仇敵與攻擊者,若他們僭取本屬他人權柄與尊榮之事,並不足為奇。可奇的乃是:我們自己人中竟有背棄真理者,偏袒異端而抵擋基督徒。故此我們議決:異端當受洗。」對此我們回答:不然,更當稱奇、更當大加讚美的是:這些人如此愛慕合一,以致他們雖判定那些人為背棄真理者,卻在合一中與之同存,不懼被其玷污。因為當他說「可奇的乃是我們自己人中竟有背棄真理者,偏袒異端而抵擋基督徒」時,他似乎將要說:
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\'propterea decernimus eis non esse communicandum.\' non hoc dixit, sed ait: propterea decernimus haereticos baptizandos esse, seruans quod pacificus Cyprianus ante praestruxerat dicens: neminem iudicantes aut a iure communionis aliquem si diuersum senserit amouentes . cum ergo Donatistae nobis calumniantur et nos dicunt traditores, si quis existat uel Iudaeus uel paganus, qui lecto isto concilio et nos et ipsos secundum eorum regulas unitatis appellet praeuaricatores, uelim scire ad hoc tam graue crimen refutandum adque diluendum quomodo nobis agenda sit causa communis.
'therefore we decree that we must not be in communion with them.' He did not say this, but said: 'therefore we decree that heretics must be baptized,' preserving what the peaceable Cyprian had earlier laid down as a foundation, saying: 'judging no one, nor removing anyone from the right of communion if he holds a differing view.' Since therefore the Donatists slander us and call us traditors, if there should arise some Jew or pagan who, having read this council, should call both us and them, according to their own rules of unity, betrayers, I should like to know how, in refuting and dissolving so grave a charge, we must plead the common cause.
「故此我們議決不當與他們共融。」他並未這樣說,反而說:「故此我們議決異端當受洗」,如此便保守了那愛好和平的居普良先前所立定的根基,即他說:「不論斷任何人,也不因人持不同意見便將他從共融之權中除去。」既然多納徒派誣衊我們、稱我們為「交經者」,倘若有猶太人或外邦人讀了這會議記錄,按著他們合一的規矩把我們與他們雙方都稱為背棄真理者,我倒想知道:為駁斥並化解如此嚴重的罪名,我們該如何為這共同的案由申辯。
25:539
isti eos dicunt traditores quos neque illo tempore conuincere potuerunt neque nunc possunt ostendere, et in eodem crimine ipsi esse potius ostenduntur. sed quid ad nos? de istis certe praeuaricatoribus quid dicemus? si enim nos quamuis falso propterea dicimur traditores, quia traditoribus nos in eadem communione successisse criminantur, praeuaricatoribus illis omnes successimus, quia nondum se ab unitate diuiserat pars Donati beati Cypriani temporibus. post passionem quippe eius quadraginta et quod excurrit annis peractis traditio codicum facta est, unde coeperunt appellari traditores.
These men call those traditors whom they could neither convict at that time nor now can prove guilty; and rather they themselves are shown to be guilty of the same crime. But what is that to us? Concerning these betrayers, at any rate, what shall we say? For if we, though falsely, are for this reason called traditors—because they charge us with having succeeded traditors in the same communion—then we have all succeeded those betrayers, since the party of Donatus had not yet divided itself from unity in the times of blessed Cyprian. For indeed, after his passion, when forty years and something more had elapsed, the surrender of the sacred books took place, whence they began to be called traditors.
這些人把那些他們當時無法定罪、如今也無法證實有罪的人稱為交經者;反倒是他們自己被顯明犯了同樣的罪。但這與我們何干?至少論到這些背棄真理者,我們該說什麼呢?因為若我們(雖是冤枉地)被稱為交經者,理由是他們控告我們在同一共融中承接了交經者,那麼我們眾人也都承接了那些背棄真理者,因為在蒙福的居普良時代,多納的黨派尚未從合一中分裂出去。事實上,在他受難之後過了四十多年,才發生交出聖書之事,人便由此開始被稱為交經者。
25:540
si ergo nos propterea traditores, quia ex traditoribus, sicut opinantur uel confingunt, exorti sumus, ab illis praeuaricatoribus utrique originem ducimus. non est enim quod dicatur non eis communicasse istos, quando suos illos uocant, quod concilium loquitur, quod ipsi maxime proferunt. quidam nostri, inquit, praeuaricatores ueritatis haereticis suffragantur . accedit et testimonium Cypriani satis demonstrantis, quod in eorum communione permanserit, dicendo: neminem iudicantes aut a iure communionis aliquem si diuersum senserit amouentes .
If therefore we are traditors because we sprang from traditors, as they suppose or fabricate, then both parties derive our origin from those betrayers. For it cannot be said that these men were not in communion with them, since the council—which they themselves most of all put forward—calls them their own. 'Certain of our own people,' it says, 'betrayers of the truth, side with heretics.' There is added also the testimony of Cyprian, sufficiently demonstrating that he remained in their communion, by saying: 'judging no one, nor removing anyone from the right of communion if he holds a differing view.'
因此,若我們如他們所臆測或捏造的那樣、是因出自交經者而為交經者,那麼雙方都同從那些背棄真理者承襲了淵源。因為不能說這些人未曾與他們共融,既然那會議——正是他們自己最常引以為據的——稱他們為「我們自己人」。它說:「我們自己人中有背棄真理者偏袒異端。」再加上居普良的見證,充分表明他仍留在他們的共融中,因他說:「不論斷任何人,也不因人持不同意見便將他從共融之權中除去。」
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ipsi enim erant qui diuersum sentiebant, quos iste praeuaricatores uocat, quia scilicet haereticis suffragabantur sine baptismo eos in ecclesiam recipiendo. eam quoque fuisse consuetudinem, ut sic reciperentur, et ipse Cyprianus multis locis et aliquot episcopi in hoc concilio manifestant. unde apparet, si haeretici non habent baptismum, ecclesiam Christi temporum illorum praeuaricatoribus fuisse plenam, qui eis suffragantes sic eos recipiebant. agatur ergo causa communis aduersus crimen praeuaricationis quod negare non possunt, et ibi agetur nostra aduersus crimen traditionis quod conuincere non potuerunt. sed sic agamus quasi conuicerint.
For it was they themselves who held the differing view, whom this man calls betrayers—namely, because they sided with heretics by receiving them into the Church without baptism. That this too was the custom, that they should be so received, both Cyprian himself in many places and several bishops in this council make plain. Whence it appears that, if heretics do not have baptism, the Church of Christ of those times was full of betrayers, who, siding with them, received them thus. Let therefore the common cause be pleaded against the crime of prevarication which they cannot deny; and there our cause shall be pleaded against the crime of surrender which they were unable to prove. But let us plead as though they had proved it.
因為持不同意見的正是他們自己,此人稱之為背棄真理者——即因他們偏袒異端,未經施洗便接納他們入教會。這也曾是慣例,人如此被接納,居普良本人在許多地方、以及此會議中若干主教都清楚表明了。由此可見:若異端沒有洗禮,那時基督的教會豈不滿是背棄真理者,他們偏袒異端、如此接納之。故此,讓那共同的案由針對他們無法否認的背棄之罪來申辯;而我們的案由則針對他們無法證實的交出聖書之罪來申辯。但就讓我們姑且當作他們已證實了那樣申辯。
25:542
quod utrique responderimus eis qui nobis obiciunt maiorum nostrorum praeuaricationem, hoc nos istis respondebimus qui nobis obiciunt maiorum nostrorum traditionem. si enim per maiorum nostrorum traditionem, unde se isti diuiserunt, nos mortui sumus, ita per maiorum praeuaricationem, qui et nostri et ipsorum parentes fuerunt, et nos et ipsi mortui sumus. sed quia uiuere se dicunt, credunt, quod ad eos non pertineat illa praeuaricatio; ergo nec ad nos illa traditio. et illa quidem praeuaricatio secundum ipsos certa est; secundum nos autem nec anterior praeuaricatio uera est, quia et haereticos dicimus posse habere baptismum Christi, nec posterior traditio, quia in ea causa sunt ipsi superati.
Whatever we shall have replied to those who object to us the prevarication of our forefathers, this we shall reply to those who object to us the surrender of our forefathers. For if, through the surrender of our forefathers, from whom these men separated themselves, we are dead, then likewise, through the prevarication of the forefathers who were parents both of ours and of theirs, both we and they are dead. But because they say they live, they believe that that prevarication does not pertain to them; therefore neither does that surrender pertain to us. And that prevarication, indeed, according to them, is certain; but according to us neither is the former prevarication true—since we say that even heretics can have the baptism of Christ—nor the latter surrender, since in that cause they themselves have been vanquished.
凡我們回答那些以我們祖先之背棄相責之人的話,我們也照樣回答那些以我們祖先交出聖書相責之人。因為若我們因這些人所脫離的我們祖先之交出聖書而死了,那麼照樣,我們也因那既是我們、也是他們雙方祖先之背棄而死了——我們與他們都死了。但因他們自稱活著,便相信那背棄與他們無關;那麼那交出聖書也就與我們無關。而按他們所言,那背棄確是實有;但按我們所言,前一項背棄並非屬實——因我們說異端也能擁有基督的洗禮——後一項交出聖書也非屬實,因在那案由上被駁倒的正是他們自己。
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non habent ergo isti cur a nobis nefario scelere schismatis separentur, quia nostri maiores si traditores non fuerunt, sicut nos dicimus, non est quod ad nos omnino pertineat; si autem traditores fuerunt, sicut ipsi dicunt, sic ad nos non pertinet quemadmodum nec ad nos nec ad ipsos illi praeuaricatores. ac per hoc quoniam ex maiorum nostrorum iniquitate nullum est crimen nostrum, ex proprio schismate certum est crimen illorum. Satius a Sicilibba dixit: Si haereticis in baptismo sito peccata donantur, sine causa ad ecclesiam ueniunt. nam cum in dic indicii peccata sint quae puniuntur, nihil est quod timere possint haeretici de indicio Christi, si sunt remissionem peccatorum consecuti .
These men therefore have no reason to be separated from us by the wicked crime of schism; because our forefathers, if they were not traditors, as we say, then there is nothing that pertains to us at all; but if they were traditors, as these men say, then it pertains to us just as those prevaricators pertain neither to us nor to them. And by this, since from the iniquity of our forefathers there is no crime of ours, from their own schism the crime of these men is certain. Satius of Sicilibba said: 'If sins are forgiven to heretics in the baptism they have received, without cause do they come to the Church. For since it is on the day of judgment that sins are punished, there is nothing that heretics can fear concerning the judgment of Christ, if they have obtained remission of sins.'
因此這些人沒有理由藉分裂這惡罪與我們分離;因為我們的祖先若如我們所言並非交經者,那便毫不干涉我們;但若如他們所言曾是交經者,那也如同那些背棄者既不干涉我們、也不干涉他們一般不干涉我們。由此可見,既然從我們祖先的罪孽並不歸出我們任何罪,那麼從他們自己的分裂便確確實實歸出他們的罪。西西里巴的撒提烏斯說:「若異端在其所受的洗禮中罪得赦免,他們來到教會便屬徒然。因為既是在審判之日刑罰罪惡,異端若已獲得罪的赦免,關於基督的審判便無所可懼。」
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Et haec poterat etiam nostra esse sententia; uiderit autem auctor eius quo animo dicta sit. uerbis tamen ita modificata \' est, ut non me pigeat eo animo consentire adque suscribere, quo et ego sentio baptismum quidem Christi haereticos posse habere, sed remissionem peccatorum non habere. non autem ait: \'si haeretici baptizant aut baptizantur,\' sed: si haereticis, inquit, in baptismo suo peccata donantur, sine causa ad ecclesiam ueniunt . namque pro haereticis ponamus illos, quos in ecclesia nouerat Cyprianus saeculo uerbis solis et non factis renuntiantes: totidem uerbis possumus hanc sententiam etiam nos uerissime dicere:
And this could even be our own opinion; but let its author see with what mind it was spoken. Yet it is so qualified in its wording that I am not loath to assent and subscribe to it with that mind wherein I too hold that heretics can indeed have the baptism of Christ, but not the remission of sins. For he does not say, 'if heretics baptize or are baptized,' but says: 'if sins are forgiven to heretics in their own baptism, without cause do they come to the Church.' For let us put in place of heretics those whom Cyprian knew in the Church to renounce the world by words alone and not by deeds: in the very same words we too can most truly state this opinion:
這甚至也可能是我們自己的見解;但發言者當自省他是以怎樣的心說出的。然而其措辭如此有所限定,以致我不憚以這樣的心贊同並附署:我也認為異端固然能擁有基督的洗禮,卻沒有罪的赦免。因為他並未說「若異端施洗或受洗」,而是說:「若異端在其自己的洗禮中罪得赦免,他們來到教會便屬徒然。」讓我們以居普良在教會中所知、那些只憑言語而非行為棄絕世界的人代替異端:我們也能用同樣的字句、極真確地陳述此見解:
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\'si fallaciter conuersis in baptismo suo peccata donantur, sine causa ad ueram conuersionem postea perducuntur. nam cum in die iudicii peccata sint quae puniuntur, nihil est quod timere possint qui saeculo uerbis solis et non factis renuntiarunt de iudicio Christi, si sunt remissionem peccatorum consecuti.\' sed ista ratiocinatio tali conexione perficitur, ut adiungamus dicentes: \'debent autem timere Christi iudicium et ueraci corde aliquando conuerti; quod cum fecerint, non eos utique necesse est iterum baptizari.\' potuerunt igitur accipere baptismum et remissionem non accipere peccatorum aut remissis peccatis continuo rursus onerari. sic ergo et haeretici. Uictor a Gor dixit:
'If sins are forgiven in their own baptism to those falsely converted, without cause are they afterwards led to a true conversion. For since it is on the day of judgment that sins are punished, there is nothing that those who renounced the world by words alone and not by deeds can fear concerning the judgment of Christ, if they have obtained remission of sins.' But this reasoning is completed by such a connection that we add, saying: 'yet they ought to fear the judgment of Christ and be at length truly converted; and when they have done this, there is certainly no need for them to be baptized again.' They could therefore receive baptism and not receive the remission of sins, or, their sins being remitted, be immediately burdened again. So then also with heretics. Victor of Gor said:
「若那些假意悔改的人在其自己的洗禮中罪得赦免,事後又被引向真悔改便屬徒然。因為既是在審判之日刑罰罪惡,那些只憑言語而非行為棄絕世界的人,若已獲罪的赦免,關於基督的審判便無所可懼。」但此推論須以這樣的聯結完成,即我們補充說:「然而他們理當懼怕基督的審判,並終要真心悔改;當他們如此行時,斷不需再受洗。」因此他們可能領受了洗禮卻未領受罪的赦免,或罪雖得赦,隨即又重負罪擔。異端也是如此。哥爾的維克多說:
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Cum peccata non nisi in ecclesiae baptismo remittantur, qui haereticum sine baptismo ad communicationem admittit utrumque contra rationem facit: nec haereticos purgat et christianos inquinat . Huic respondemus ecclesiae baptismum esse et aput haereticos, quamuis ipsi non sint in ecclesia, sicut aquam paradisi in terra Aegypti, quamuis ipsa non sit in paradiso. non itaque haereticos sine baptismo ad communionem admittimus et, quia correcti a sua peruersitate ueniunt, non eorum peccata, sed Christi sacramenta suscipimus, de remissione autem peccatorum quod superius hoc et hic dicimus. illud sane quod in ultimo posuit dicens: utrumque contra rationem facit:
'Since sins are not remitted except in the baptism of the Church, whoever admits a heretic to communion without baptism does both things against reason: he neither cleanses the heretic nor keeps Christians unstained.' To this we reply that the baptism of the Church exists even among heretics—though they themselves are not in the Church—just as the water of paradise exists in the land of Egypt, though that water is not in paradise. We do not, then, admit heretics to communion without baptism; and because they come corrected from their own perversity, we receive not their sins but the sacraments of Christ; while concerning the remission of sins we say here what we said above. But that which he put at the end, saying, 'he does both things against reason:
「既然罪惟獨在教會的洗禮中得赦,凡未經施洗便接納異端入共融的人,便兩樣都違背理性:他既不潔淨異端,又玷污基督徒。」對此我們回答:教會的洗禮甚至存在於異端當中——縱然他們本身不在教會裡——正如樂園的水存在於埃及地,儘管那水並不在樂園中。因此我們並非未經施洗便接納異端入共融;而因他們是從自己的悖謬中被糾正而來,我們所接受的並非他們的罪,乃是基督的聖事;至於罪的赦免,我們在此所說的與上文相同。但他在末了所置放的那句話,即「他兩樣都違背理性:
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nec haereticos mundat et christianos inquinat, respuit primitus ac maxime ipse Cyprianus cum sibi consentientibus collegis suis. neque enim inquinari se credidit, quando talibus propter uinculum pacis communicandum esse decreuit dicens: neminem iudicantes aut a iure communionis aliquem si diuersum senserit amouentes . aut si inquinant haeretici ad communionem si non baptizantur admissi, inquinata est tota ecclesia per illam consuetudinem quae totiens hic commemoratur. et sicut isti nos appellant traditores propter maiores nostros, in quibus nihil tale quando obiecerunt probare potuerunt, si hoc fit quisque quod est ille cui communicauerit, omnes tunc haeretici facti sunt.
he neither cleanses the heretic nor keeps Christians unstained'—this Cyprian himself first and foremost rejected, together with his colleagues who agreed with him. For he did not believe himself to be stained, when he decreed that communion must be kept with such men for the bond of peace, saying: 'judging no one, nor removing anyone from the right of communion if he holds a differing view.' Or if heretics stain those with whom they are admitted to communion when they are not baptized, then the whole Church was stained through that custom which is so often here recalled. And just as these men call us traditors on account of our forefathers—in whom, when they made the charge, they could prove no such thing—if everyone becomes what he is with whom he has communion, then all were made heretics.
他既不潔淨異端,又玷污基督徒」——這話居普良本人連同贊同他的同工首先而尤其加以駁斥。因為當他為和平的維繫而議決當與這等人共融時,他並不相信自己被玷污,他說:「不論斷任何人,也不因人持不同意見便將他從共融之權中除去。」再者,若異端在未受洗而被接納入共融時便玷污了人,那麼整個教會就藉這裡屢屢被提及的那慣例而被玷污了。正如這些人因我們祖先之故稱我們為交經者——而他們提出控告時,卻無法在祖先身上證實任何這等事——若各人都變成他所共融之人的樣式,那麼眾人便都成了異端。
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quod si quisquis dicit insanit, falsum est quod iste ait: qui haereticum ad communionem sine baptismo admittit, nec haereticos purgat et christianos inquinat . aut si hoc uerum est, non sine baptismo admittebantur, sed habebant Christi baptismum quamuis aput haereticos datum et acceptum, qui secundum illam consuetudinem de qua isti confitentur sic admittebantur; ac per hoc recte etiam nunc sic admittuntur. Aurelius ab Utica dixit: Cum dicat apostolus non communicandum peccatis alienis, quid aliud quam peccatis alicnis communicat qui haereticis sine ecclesiae baptismo communicat? et ideo censeo baptizandos esse haereticos, ut accipiant remissam peccatorum et sic illis communicetur .
But if whoever says this is out of his mind, then what this man says is false: 'he who admits a heretic to communion without baptism neither cleanses the heretic nor keeps Christians unstained.' Or if this is true, then they were not admitted without baptism, but had the baptism of Christ, though given and received among heretics—they who, according to that custom of which these men confess, were thus admitted; and by this, rightly even now they are thus admitted. Aurelius of Utica said: 'Since the Apostle says that we are not to have communion with the sins of others, what else than others' sins does he have communion with, who has communion with heretics without the baptism of the Church? And therefore I judge that heretics must be baptized, that they may receive remission of sins, and thus communion be given them.'
但若說這話的人是失了心智,那麼此人所說的便是假的:「未經施洗便接納異端入共融者,既不潔淨異端,又玷污基督徒。」或者若這話為真,那麼他們並非未經施洗被接納,而是擁有基督的洗禮,儘管是在異端當中授受的——他們是按這些人所承認的那慣例如此被接納的;由此,如今照樣被接納也是正當的。烏提卡的奧勒留說:「既然使徒說我們不可與別人的罪相通,那麼未經教會的洗禮便與異端相通的人,豈不是與別人的罪相通嗎?故此我判定異端當受洗,使他們獲得罪的赦免,如此才與他們共融。」
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Communicauit ergo et Cyprianus et isti omnes peccatis alienis, quia cum talibus in communione manserunt, quando neminem qui diuersum sensit a iure communionis amouerunt. ubi est ergo ecclesia? deinde ut de haereticis taceam, cum uerba huius sententiae etiam de aliis peccatoribus dici possint, quales in ecclesia secum Cyprianus uidebat gemebat arguebat ferebat, ubi est ecclesia quae secundum haec uerba iam tunc perisse existimatur contagione peccatorum? si autem, sicut se habet firmissima ueritas, ecclesia permansit et permanet, non nisi in consensione intellegenda est communio peccatorum quam uetat apostolus.
Cyprian, then, and all these men had communion with the sins of others, because they remained in communion with such men, when they removed no one who held a differing view from the right of communion. Where then is the Church? Furthermore, to say nothing of heretics, since the words of this opinion can be said of other sinners as well—such as Cyprian saw with him in the Church, groaned over, rebuked, and bore with—where is the Church, which according to these words is supposed to have already then perished by the contagion of sins? But if, as the most firm truth holds, the Church has remained and remains, then the communion of sins which the Apostle forbids is to be understood only as consent.
那麼居普良和這一切人都與別人的罪相通,因為他們與這等人同存共融,既未把任何持不同意見者從共融之權中除去。那麼教會在哪裡呢?再者,姑且不論異端,既然此見解的話語也可用於其他罪人——就是居普良在教會中所見、與之同在、為之歎息、加以斥責、且予以容忍的那些人——那按這些話語應被視為早已因罪的傳染而滅亡的教會,究竟在哪裡呢?但若如那至堅固的真理所持守的,教會已然長存至今,那麼使徒所禁止的「與罪相通」便只能理解為同意默許。
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baptizentur autem iterum haeretici ut accipiant remissionem peccatorum, si baptizantur iterum peruersi et inuidi, qui cum saeculo uerbis et non factis renuntiarent baptismum quidem accipere potuerunt, sed remissionem peccatorum non optinuerunt dicente domino: si non dimiseritis, neque pater uester dimittet uobis. Iambus a Germaniciana dixit: Qui haereticorum baptismum probant nostrum inprobant, ut extra ecclesiam non dicam lotos, sed sordidatos ne(fent in ecclesia baptizari oportere . Huic respondetur neminem nostrum baptismum haereticorum probare, sed Christi quamuis in haereticis uelut paleis exterioribus, sicut in aliis iniquis uelut paleis interioribus.
But let heretics be baptized again, that they may receive remission of sins—if the perverse and envious are baptized again, who, when they renounced the world by words and not by deeds, could indeed receive baptism, but did not obtain remission of sins, the Lord saying: 'If you do not forgive, neither will your Father forgive you.' Iambus of Germaniciana said: 'Those who approve the baptism of heretics disapprove our own, in maintaining that those who, outside the Church, are—I will not say washed, but befouled—ought to be baptized in the Church.' To this it is answered that none of us approves the baptism of heretics, but the baptism of Christ, though it be among heretics as among outer chaff, just as it is among other wicked men as among inner chaff.
但就讓異端再受洗,好使他們獲得罪的赦免——如果那些悖謬嫉妒之人也再受洗的話,這些人只憑言語而非行為棄絕世界,固然能領受洗禮,卻未獲罪的赦免,正如主所說:「你們若不饒恕人,你們的父也必不饒恕你們。」日耳曼尼齊亞的雅布斯說:「凡贊同異端洗禮的人,便是不贊同我們自己的洗禮,因為他們主張那些在教會之外——我不說被洗淨、而說被玷污的人——理當在教會中受洗。」對此回答:我們中無人贊同異端的洗禮,乃是贊同基督的洗禮,儘管它存在於異端當中如同外殼的糠秕,正如它存在於其他惡人當中如同內裡的糠秕。
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nam \' si extra ecclesiam qui baptizantur non lauantur sed sordidantur, profecto extra petram in qua aedificatur ecclesia qui baptizantur non lauantur sed sordidantur. omnes autem extra eandem petram sunt qui audiunt uerba Christi et non faciunt. aut si baptismo quidem lauantur, sed iniquitatibus suis a quibus in melius mutari noluerunt sordidi remanent, sic et haeretici. Lucianus a Rucuma dixit: Scriptum est: et uidit deus lucem quia bona est, et diuisit inter lucem et tenebras. si potest luci et tenebris conuenire, potest nobis et haereticis aliquid esse commune, propterea censeo haereticos baptixandos esse . Huic respondetur:
For if those who are baptized outside the Church are not washed but befouled, then assuredly those who are baptized outside the rock upon which the Church is built are not washed but befouled. But all who hear the words of Christ and do not do them are outside that same rock. Or if they are indeed washed by baptism, but remain befouled by their own iniquities from which they were unwilling to be changed for the better, so too are heretics. Lucian of Rucuma said: 'It is written: And God saw the light, that it was good, and He divided between the light and the darkness. If light and darkness can agree, then something can be common to us and to heretics; therefore I judge that heretics must be baptized.' To this it is answered:
因為若在教會之外受洗的人並非被洗淨而是被玷污,那麼在教會所建於其上的磐石之外受洗的人,必然也並非被洗淨而是被玷污。凡聽了基督的話卻不去行的人,都在這同一磐石之外。或者若他們確藉洗禮被洗淨,卻因自己不願改善的罪孽而仍留污穢,異端也是如此。魯庫馬的路奇安說:「經上記著:『神看光是好的,就把光暗分開了。』若光與暗能相合,那我們與異端便能有些共通之處;故此我判定異端當受洗。」對此回答:
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Si potest luci et tenebris conuenire, potest iustis et iniustis aliquid esse commune. censeat ergo illos iniustos denuo baptizari quos in ipsa ecclesia Cyprianus arguebat; aut si non sunt iniusti qui saeculo uerbis et non factis renuntiant, dicat qui potest. Pelagianus a Luperciana dixit: Scriptum est: aut deus deus est aut Bal deus. ita et nunc aut ecclesia ecclesia est aut haeresis ecclesia. porro si haeresis ecclesia non est, quomodo esse aput haereticos baptisma ecclesiae potest ? Huic ita possumus respondere: Aut paradisus paradisus aut Aegyptus paradisus. porro si Aegyptus paradisus non est, quomodo esse in Aegypto aqua paradisi potest? sed dicetur nobis:
If light and darkness can agree, then something can be common to the just and the unjust. Let him therefore judge that those unjust men, whom Cyprian rebuked within the Church itself, must be baptized anew; or if those who renounce the world by words and not by deeds are not unjust, let him say so who can. Pelagianus of Luperciana said: 'It is written: Either God is God, or Baal is god. So too now, either the Church is the Church, or heresy is the Church. Further, if heresy is not the Church, how can the baptism of the Church exist among heretics?' To this we can thus reply: Either paradise is paradise, or Egypt is paradise. Further, if Egypt is not paradise, how can the water of paradise exist in Egypt? But it will be said to us:
若光與暗能相合,那正義者與不義者之間便能有些共通之處。那麼就讓他判定居普良在教會之內所斥責的那些不義之人也當重受洗;或者若那些只憑言語而非行為棄絕世界的人並非不義,能說的人就說吧。魯佩齊亞的伯拉糾說:「經上記著:『不是神為神,就是巴力為神。』照樣,如今不是教會為教會,就是異端為教會。再者,若異端不是教會,教會的洗禮怎能存在於異端當中呢?」對此我們可如此回答:不是樂園為樂園,就是埃及為樂園。再者,若埃及不是樂園,樂園的水怎能存在於埃及呢?但有人要對我們說:
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\'etiam illuc exeundo peruenit\'; sic ergo ad haereticos baptismus. item dicimus: \'aut petra ecclesia aut harena ecclesia. porro quia harena non est ecclesia, quomodo aput eos qui super harenam aedificant audiendo Christi uerba et non faciendo esse baptismus potest? et tamen est; sic ergo et aput haereticos.\' Iader a Midila dixit: Scimus non esse nisi unum baptismum in ecclesia catholica, et ideo non debemus admittere haereticum, nisi baptixatus aput nos fuerit, ne se putet extra ecclesiam catholicam baptixatum esse . Huic respondetur, quia hoc si de iniquis illis qui extra petram sunt diceretur, falso utique diceretur; sic ergo et de haereticis. Item Felix a Maraxana dixit:
'it reaches thither too by flowing out'; so then baptism reaches heretics. Likewise we say: 'Either the rock is the Church, or the sand is the Church. Further, since the sand is not the Church, how can baptism exist among those who build upon the sand by hearing the words of Christ and not doing them? And yet it does exist; so then also among heretics.' Iader of Midila said: 'We know there is only one baptism in the Catholic Church, and therefore we ought not to admit a heretic unless he has been baptized among us, lest he think himself baptized outside the Catholic Church.' To this it is answered that if this were said of those unjust men who are outside the rock, it would surely be said falsely; so then also of heretics. Likewise Felix of Marazana said:
「那水也藉外流而到達那裡」;那麼洗禮也就這樣到達異端。我們同樣說:「不是磐石為教會,就是沙為教會。再者,既然沙不是教會,那在沙上建造、聽基督的話卻不去行的人當中,怎能有洗禮呢?然而洗禮確實存在;那麼在異端當中也是如此。」米狄拉的雅德說:「我們知道在大公教會中惟有一洗,故此除非異端在我們當中受了洗,我們不當接納他,免得他以為自己在大公教會之外受了洗。」對此回答:這話若是論到那些在磐石之外的不義之人,必然是妄言;那麼論到異端也是如此。同樣,馬拉扎那的斐理斯說:
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Una fides, unum baptisma, sed ecclesiae catholicae cui soli licet baptixare . Huic respondetur: Quid si alius ita diceret: \'una fides, unum baptisma, sed iustorum tantum quibus solis licet baptizare\'? sicut haec uerba refellerentur, ita et ista sententia refellatur. an et iniusti nec in ipso baptismo mutati, dum saeculo uerbis solis et non factis renuntiant, ad membra ecclesiae pertinent? uideant si ipsa est illa petra, si ipsa est columba, si ipsa est sponsa sine macula et ruga. Paulus ab Obba dixit: Me non mouet, si aliquis ecclesiae fidem et ueritatem non uindicat, quando apostolus dicat: quid enim, quia exciderunt a fide quidam illorum?
'One faith, one baptism, but of the Catholic Church, to whom alone it is permitted to baptize.' To this it is answered: What if another should say thus: 'One faith, one baptism, but of the just alone, to whom alone it is permitted to baptize'? Just as these words would be refuted, so let that opinion also be refuted. Or do even the unjust—not changed in baptism itself, while they renounce the world by words alone and not by deeds—belong to the members of the Church? Let them consider whether she herself is that rock, whether she is the dove, whether she is the bride without spot or wrinkle. Paulus of Obba said: 'It does not move me, if someone does not vindicate the faith and truth of the Church, since the Apostle says: What then? because certain of them have fallen away from the faith?
「一信,一洗,但屬於大公教會,惟獨她被允許施洗。」對此回答:假若另有人這樣說:「一信,一洗,但惟獨屬於正義者,惟獨他們被允許施洗」,又當如何?正如這些話會被駁倒,那見解也照樣當被駁倒。再者,那些不義之人——他們在洗禮中本身並未改變,只憑言語而非行為棄絕世界——難道也屬於教會的肢體嗎?讓他們思量:她本身是否就是那磐石,是否就是那鴿子,是否就是那毫無玷污皺紋的新婦。奧巴的保羅說:「這並不動搖我,縱使有人不維護教會的信仰與真理,因為使徒說:『這卻怎麼樣呢?他們中間若有不信的,這有何妨呢?』
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numquid infidelitas illorum fidem dei catholicam absit. est enim deus uerax, omnis autem homo mendax. si autem deus uerax est, quomodo esse aput haereticos baptismi ueritas potest aput quos deus non est ? Huic respondetur: Quid? aput auaros numquid est deus? et tamen est baptismus. ita et aput haereticos. aput quos enim est deus templum dei sunt. quae autem compositio templo dei cum idolis? porro auaritiam idololatriam Paulus sentit, Cyprianus consentit, et idem ipse inter collegas raptores et tamen baptizatores cum magna tolerantiae mercede uersatur. Pomponius a Dionysiana dixit:
Shall their unbelief make void the Catholic faith of God? God forbid. For God is truthful, but every man a liar. But if God is truthful, how can the truth of baptism exist among heretics, among whom God is not?' To this it is answered: What? Among the covetous, is God not present? And yet baptism is present. So too among heretics. For among whom God is present, they are the temple of God. But what agreement has the temple of God with idols? Now Paul reckons covetousness to be idolatry, Cyprian agrees, and he himself likewise dwells among his colleagues who were plunderers and yet baptizers, with the great reward of forbearance. Pomponius of Dionysiana said:
「難道他們的不信就能廢掉神的大公信仰嗎?斷乎不能。因為神是真實的,惟有人都是虛謊的。但若神是真實的,那洗禮的真理怎能存在於神所不在的異端當中呢?」對此回答:怎麼說呢?在貪婪者當中,神豈不在嗎?然而洗禮卻在。異端也是如此。因為神所在之處,人便是神的殿。但神的殿與偶像有什麼相合呢?保羅視貪婪為拜偶像,居普良也同意;而他自己同樣與那些既是掠奪者又是施洗者的同工共處,並得著容忍的大賞賜。狄奧尼西亞的龐波尼說:
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Manifestum est haereticos non posse baptizare et remissionem peccatorum dare qui potestatem non habent ut aut soluere aut ligare aliquid in terris possint . Respondetur: Hanc potestatem nec homicidae habent, id est qui fratres oderunt. non enim talibus dictum est: si cui dimiseritis peccata dimittentur ei, si cui tenueritis tenebuntur, et tamen baptizant et eos in eadem baptismi communione et Paulus tolerat et Cyprianus agnoscit. Uenantius a Tinisa dixit: Si maritus peregre proficiscens amico suo ronmendasset uxorem suam custodiendam, conmendatam sibi ille quanta posset diligentia conseruaret, ne ab aliquo castitas eius et sanctitas adulteraretur.
'It is manifest that heretics cannot baptize and give remission of sins, since they have not the power either to loose or to bind anything on earth.' It is answered: This power not even murderers have—that is, those who hate their brethren. For it was not to such that it was said: 'If you forgive anyone their sins, they shall be forgiven them; if you retain anyone's, they shall be retained'; and yet they baptize, and both Paul tolerates them in the same communion of baptism and Cyprian acknowledges them. Venantius of Tinisa said: 'If a husband, going abroad, had entrusted his wife to a friend of his to be kept safe, that friend would guard her, entrusted to him, with all possible diligence, lest her chastity and holiness be adulterated by anyone.
「異端顯然不能施洗、不能赦罪,因為他們沒有權柄在地上釋放或捆綁什麼。」回答如下:這權柄連凶手也沒有——就是那些恨弟兄的人。因為主並非對這等人說:「你們赦免誰的罪,誰的罪就赦免了;你們留下誰的罪,誰的罪就留下了」;然而這等人卻施洗,而保羅在同一洗禮的共融中容忍他們,居普良也承認他們。提尼撒的維南提說:「若丈夫遠行,把妻子託付給他的朋友看守,那朋友便會盡一切可能的殷勤保守所託付於他的妻子,免得她的貞潔與聖潔被人玷污。
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Christus dominus et deus noster ad patrem proficiscens sponsam suam nobis conmendauit, utrumne eam incorruptam et inuiolatam custodimus an integritatem eius et castitatem moechis et corruptoribus prodimus? qui enim baptisma ecclesiae commune cum haereticis facit sponsam Christi adulteris prodit . Respondemus: Quid? illi, qui cum baptizantur labiis, non corde conuertuntur ad deum, nonne adulterinam mentem gerunt? nonne ipsi sunt saeculi dilectores, qui non factis sed uerbis renuntiauerunt, et ideo corrumpunt mores bonos per conloquia mala dicentes: manducemus et bibamus, cras enim morimur? nonne etiam contra istos uigilauit sermo apostolicus ubi dixit:
Christ our Lord and God, going to the Father, entrusted His bride to us: do we guard her uncorrupted and inviolate, or do we betray her integrity and chastity to adulterers and corrupters? For whoever makes the baptism of the Church common with heretics betrays the bride of Christ to adulterers.' We reply: What? Do not those who, when they are baptized with their lips, are not converted to God in their heart, bear an adulterous mind? Are not they themselves lovers of the world, who renounced not by deeds but by words, and therefore corrupt good morals by evil conversations, saying: 'Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die'? Did not the apostolic word also keep watch against these, where it said:
我們的主、我們的神基督往父那裡去,把祂的新婦託付給我們:我們是保守她不受敗壞、不受侵犯呢,還是把她的貞全與貞潔出賣給姦夫與敗壞者?因為凡使教會的洗禮與異端共有的人,便是把基督的新婦出賣給姦夫。」我們回答:怎麼說呢?那些用嘴唇受洗、心裡卻未歸向神的人,豈不懷著淫亂的心嗎?他們豈不正是愛世界的人,只憑言語而非行為棄絕世界,因此以惡言敗壞善行,說:「我們吃喝吧,因為明天要死了」嗎?使徒的話豈不也警醒防備這等人,正如他所說:
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timeo autem, ne sicut serpens Euam seduxit astutia sua, sic et uestrae mentes corrumpantur a castitate quae est in Christo? cum ergo Christi baptisma Cyprianus habebat commune cum talibus, numquid ideo sponsam Christi prodebat adulteris ac non potius monile sponsi etiam in adultera cognoscebat? Aymmus ab Ausuagiga di.rit: Nos unum baptisma accepimus et ipsum exercemus. qui antem dicit quia et haereticis licet baptizare, ipse duos baptismos facit . Huic respondetur: Cur non etiam ille duos baptismos facit qui dicit quia et iniqui baptizant?
'But I fear, lest as the serpent seduced Eve by his cunning, so your minds also be corrupted from the chastity which is in Christ'? Since therefore Cyprian had the baptism of Christ in common with such men, did he on that account betray the bride of Christ to adulterers, and not rather recognize the bridegroom's necklace even upon an adulteress? Aymnus of Ausvaga said: 'We have received one baptism, and that same we practice. But he who says that heretics too are permitted to baptize makes two baptisms.' To this it is answered: Why does not he also make two baptisms who says that the unjust too baptize?
「我只怕你們的心或偏於邪,失去那向基督所存純一清潔的心,就像蛇用詭詐誘惑了夏娃一樣」?既然居普良與這等人共有基督的洗禮,他豈因此便把基督的新婦出賣給姦夫,而非反倒在淫婦身上仍認出新郎的項飾?奧蘇瓦加的埃穆努斯說:「我們領受了一洗,也施行這同一洗禮。但凡說異端也蒙允許施洗的人,便造出兩個洗禮。」對此回答:那麼凡說不義之人也施洗的人,豈不也造出兩個洗禮嗎?
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cum enim iusti et iniqui contrarii sibi sint, baptismus quem dant iusti, qualis erat Paulus uel etiam qualis erat Cyprianus, non est contrarius baptismo quem dabant iniqui illi qui oderant Paulum, quos non haereticos, sed malos catholicos Cyprianus intellegit. et cum contrariae sibi sint continentia quae fuit in Cypriano et auaritia quae fuit in collegis Cypriani, baptismus tamen quem Cyprianus dabat non erat contrarius baptismo quem illi dabant, sed unus et idem, quia ille baptizat de quo dictum est: ipse est qui baptizat. Saturninus a Uictoriana \'li.rit:
For since the just and the unjust are contrary to each other, the baptism which the just give—such as Paul was, or even such as Cyprian was—is not contrary to the baptism which those unjust men gave who hated Paul, whom Cyprian understands to be not heretics, but bad Catholics. And though the continence which was in Cyprian and the covetousness which was in Cyprian's colleagues are contrary to each other, yet the baptism which Cyprian gave was not contrary to the baptism which they gave, but one and the same, because He baptizes of whom it was said: 'It is He who baptizes.' Saturninus of Victoriana said:
因為既然正義者與不義者彼此相反,正義者所施的洗——如保羅那樣,或甚至如居普良那樣——與那些恨保羅的不義之人所施的洗並不相反;居普良明白這些人並非異端,而是壞的公教徒。而縱然居普良身上的節制與居普良同工身上的貪婪彼此相反,居普良所施的洗與他們所施的洗卻並不相反,乃是同一個洗,因為那施洗的乃是那位論及祂的話所指者:「這就是那用聖靈施洗的。」維克多利亞納的撒圖尼努斯說:
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Si licet haereticis baptizare, (\',reusa# sunt et defensi inlicita facientes, nec uideo quare eos aut Christus aduersarios suos ant apostolus antich ristos appellauerit . Huic respondetur: Sic dicimus non licere haereticis baptizare quomodo dicimus non licere fraudatoribus baptizare. non enim haeretico tantum, sed peccatori, inquit, dicit dominus: ut quid enarras iustificationes meas et adsumis testamentum meum per os tuum? huic utique \' dixit: si uidebas furem, concurrebas ei. quanto ergo illi peiores qui non cum furibus concurrebant, sed ipsi fundos insidiosis fraudibus rapiebant!
'If heretics are permitted to baptize, they are excused and defended in doing unlawful things, and I do not see why either Christ should have called them His adversaries or the Apostle called them antichrists.' To this it is answered: We say that it is not permitted to heretics to baptize in the same way as we say it is not permitted to defrauders to baptize. For it is not to the heretic only, but to the sinner, that the Lord says: 'Why do you declare My statutes and take up My covenant in your mouth?' To this same one He surely said: 'If you saw a thief, you ran with him.' How much worse, then, are those who did not run with thieves, but themselves seized estates by treacherous frauds!
「若異端蒙允許施洗,他們行不法之事便得辯解與庇護,我實不明白基督為何稱他們為祂的仇敵、使徒為何稱他們為敵基督。」對此回答:我們說不許異端施洗,正如我們說不許詐騙者施洗。因為主並非只對異端、乃是對罪人說:「你為何傳說我的律例,口中提到我的約?」祂也確曾對這同一人說:「你見了盜賊就與他同夥。」那麼,那些不與盜賊同夥、反倒自己以詭詐奸計奪人田產的人,豈不更壞得多!
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sed non eis concurrebat Cyprianus, quamuis eos in catholica segete toleraret, ne simul eradicaretur et triticum. et tamen etiam ipsi quem dabant idem ipse baptismus erat, quia non ipsorum sed Christi erat. sicut ergo isti, quamuis in eis Christi baptismus agnoscatur, non sunt tamen excusati et defensi inlicita facientes et recte illos Christus aduersarios suos appellat, quia in talibus perseuerantes audituri sunt: recedite a me qui operamini iniquitatem — unde antichristi appellantur, quia Christo contrarii sunt, dum contra quod praecipit uiuunt —, ita et haeretici. Alius Saturninus a Tucca dixit: Gentiles quamuis idola colant, tamen summum deum patrem creatorem cognoscunt et confitentur.
But Cyprian did not run with them, though he tolerated them in the Catholic crop, lest the wheat be rooted up along with them. And yet even the baptism which they gave was itself the very same baptism, because it was not theirs but Christ's. Just as these men, therefore, although the baptism of Christ be acknowledged in them, are nevertheless not excused and defended in doing unlawful things, and Christ rightly calls them His adversaries—because, persevering in such things, they shall hear: 'Depart from Me, you who work iniquity' (whence they are called antichrists, because they are contrary to Christ, since they live against what He commands)—so too are heretics. Another Saturninus, of Tucca, said: 'The Gentiles, although they worship idols, yet know and confess the supreme God, the Father, the Creator.
但居普良並未與他們同夥,雖然他在公教的莊稼中容忍他們,免得麥子與他們一同被拔除。然而連他們所施的洗也正是那同一個洗,因為那洗不是他們的,乃是基督的。所以,正如這些人雖然基督的洗在他們身上被承認,卻仍不因行不法之事而得辯解與庇護,基督也正當地稱他們為祂的仇敵——因為他們既執迷於這等事,將要聽見:「你們這些作惡的人,離開我去吧」(他們因此被稱為敵基督,因他們與基督相反,違背祂所命令的而生活)——異端也是如此。另一位撒圖尼努斯,即杜卡的那位說:「外邦人雖然敬拜偶像,卻認識並承認至高的神、父、創造主。
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in hunc Marcion blasphemat, et quidam non erubescunt Marcionis baptismum probare. quo, modo tales sacerdotes sacerdotium dei aut seruant aut uindicant qui hostes dei non baptixant et sic illis communicant ? Nimirum cum talia dicuntur exceditur modus nec consideratur, quia et ipsi talibus communicabant neminem iudicantes aut a iure communionis aliquem si diuersum sentiebat amouentes. sed habet iste in hac ipsa sententia sua unde ammoneri posset, si aduerteret id in quoque corrigendum esse quod prauum est, quod autem rectum est adprobandum, quandoquidem ait: gentiles quamuis idola colant, tamen summum deum patrem creatorem cognoscunt et confitentur .
Against Him Marcion blasphemes, and certain men are not ashamed to approve the baptism of Marcion. In what manner do such priests preserve or vindicate the priesthood of God, who do not baptize the enemies of God, and yet have communion with them?' Truly, when such things are said, measure is exceeded, and it is not considered that they themselves also had communion with such men, judging no one nor removing anyone from the right of communion if he held a differing view. But this man has, in this very opinion of his, that whereby he might be admonished, if he would notice that in each man what is depraved is to be corrected, but what is right is to be approved—since he says: 'the Gentiles, although they worship idols, yet know and confess the supreme God, the Father, the Creator.'
馬吉安褻瀆祂,而某些人竟不以贊同馬吉安的洗禮為恥。這等祭司既不給神的仇敵施洗、卻與之共融,他們究竟以何等方式保守或維護神的祭司職分呢?」誠然,說出這等話時,便逾越了分寸,也未思量他們自己也曾與這等人共融,不論斷任何人,也不因人持不同意見便將他從共融之權中除去。但此人在他自己這見解中,正有可用以受警戒之處,若他肯留意:在每一個人身上,敗壞的當受糾正,正當的當受贊許——既然他說:「外邦人雖然敬拜偶像,卻認識並承認至高的神、父、創造主。」
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si quis ergo ad eum talis gentilis ueniret, numquid uellet in eo corrigere adque mutare quod deum patrem creatorem confitebatur et nouerat? sed emendaret in eo idololatriam quod malum habebat et traderet sacramenta christiana quae non habebat, et si quid rectum nosset in eo adprobaret, si quid inueniret peruersum emendaret, si quid defuisset daret. sic et in Marcionista haeretico agnosceret baptismi integritatem, corrigeret eius peruersitatem, doceret catholicam ueritatem. Marcellus a Zama d;.ât: Cum peccata non nisi in ecclesiae baptismo remittantur, qui haereticum non baptizat peccatori communicat . Quid? ille -qui hoc facienti communicat nonne peccatori communicat?
If therefore some such Gentile came to him, would he wish to correct and change in him the fact that he confessed and knew God the Father, the Creator? But he would amend in him the idolatry which he had as an evil, and would hand over to him the Christian sacraments which he did not have; and if he found anything right in him, he would approve it; if he found anything perverse, he would amend it; if anything were lacking, he would supply it. So too in a Marcionist heretic he would acknowledge the integrity of baptism, correct his perversity, and teach him the Catholic truth. Marcellus of Zama said: 'Since sins are not remitted except in the baptism of the Church, he who does not baptize a heretic has communion with a sinner.' What? Does not he who has communion with the one doing this have communion with a sinner?
因此,若有這樣一位外邦人來到他面前,他豈願糾正並改變他所承認、所認識的神為父、為創造主之事嗎?他反倒會矯正他身上所有為惡的拜偶像,並把他所沒有的基督徒聖事授予他;他若在他身上發現任何正當之處,便加以贊許;若發現任何悖謬之處,便加以矯正;若有任何缺乏,便加以補足。照樣,在一位馬吉安派異端身上,他也會承認洗禮的完整、糾正其悖謬、教導他大公的真理。扎馬的馬克路斯說:「既然罪惟獨在教會的洗禮中得赦,凡不給異端施洗的人,便與罪人相通。」怎麼說呢?那與行此事之人相通的人,豈不也與罪人相通嗎?
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quid autem aliud faciebant omnes iudicantes neminem aut a iure communionis amouentes diuersa sentientem? ubi est ergo ecclesia? an patientibus et ne triticum eradicetur zizania tolerantibus ista non obsunt? discant ergo isti qui se ab orbe terrarum frustra separando sacrilegium schismatis admiserunt. ut quid habent in ore Cypriani sententiam qui non habent in corde Cypriani patientiam? huic autem Marcello respondetur ex his quae de baptismo et de remissione peccatorum supra dicta sunt, quomodo possit esse baptismus in homine, quamuis in eo non sit remissio peccatorum. Irenaeus ab Ululis dixit: Si ideo ecclesia haereticum non baptizat, quod dicatur iam baptizatus esse, haeresis maior est .
But what else were all of them doing—judging no one and removing no one who held a differing view from the right of communion? Where then is the Church? Or do these things not harm those who endure, and who bear with the tares lest the wheat be rooted up? Let these men learn, then, who by vainly separating themselves from the whole world have committed the sacrilege of schism. Why do they have in their mouth the opinion of Cyprian, who have not in their heart the patience of Cyprian? But to this Marcellus it is answered from those things which were said above concerning baptism and concerning the remission of sins—how baptism can exist in a man, although in him there is no remission of sins. Irenaeus of Ulula said: 'If the Church does not baptize a heretic for the reason that he is said to be already baptized, the heresy is the greater.'
但眾人所行的還有別的嗎——他們不論斷任何人,也不把任何持不同意見者從共融之權中除去?那麼教會在哪裡呢?再者,這些事豈不損害那些忍耐、且為免麥子被拔除而容忍稗子的人嗎?那麼就讓這些人受教吧——他們徒然地把自己從普世分離出去,犯了分裂的褻瀆之罪。他們口中既有居普良的見解,心中卻無居普良的忍耐,這是為何?但對這位馬克路斯,我們以上文論及洗禮與罪的赦免之言回答——即洗禮如何能存在於一個人身上,縱使在他身上並無罪的赦免。烏路拉的愛任紐說:「若教會因異端據稱已受洗而不給他施洗,那異端便更大了。」
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Hoc modo dici potest: Si ideo ecclesia auarum non baptizat, quod dicatur iam baptizatus esse, auaritia maior est. hoc autem falsum est; ita ergo et illud. Donatus a Cibaliana dixit: Ego unam pael.esiam et unum baptismum eius noui. si est qui dicat esse aput haereticos baptismi gratiam, ante est ut ostendat et probet esse illic ecclesiam . Huic respondetur: Si baptismi gratiam hoc esse dicis quod est baptismus, est aput haereticos; si autem baptismus sacramentum est gratiae, ipsa uero gratia abolitio peccatorum est, non est aput haereticos baptismi gratia. sic est autem unum baptisma et una ecclesia quemadmodum est una spes.
In this manner it can be said: If the Church does not baptize a covetous man for the reason that he is said to be already baptized, covetousness is the greater. But this is false; so then is that also. Donatus of Cibaliana said: 'I know one Church and one baptism of hers. If there is anyone who says that the grace of baptism exists among heretics, it is first necessary that he show and prove that the Church is there.' To this it is answered: If you say that the grace of baptism is that which baptism is, then it exists among heretics; but if baptism is the sacrament of grace, while grace itself is the abolition of sins, then the grace of baptism does not exist among heretics. But baptism is one and the Church is one in the same way as hope is one.
照此方式可以說:若教會因貪婪者據稱已受洗而不給他施洗,那貪婪便更大了。但這是假的;那麼那話也是假的。奇巴利亞納的多納說:「我只認得一個教會,並她的一洗。若有人說洗禮的恩典存在於異端當中,那他首先必須顯明並證實教會在那裡。」對此回答:你若說洗禮的恩典就是洗禮本身,那它便存在於異端當中;但你若說洗禮是恩典的聖事,而恩典本身乃是罪的塗抹,那麼洗禮的恩典便不存在於異端當中。然而洗是一,教會是一,正如指望是一。
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sicut ergo boni et mali non habentes unam spem possunt tamen habere unum baptisma, ita quibus non est communis ecclesia potest baptisma esse commune. Zosimus a Tarassa dixit: Reuelatione facta ueritatis cedat error ueritati, quia et Petrus qui prius circumcidebat cessit Paulo ueritatem praedicanti .- Potest etiam nostra esse ista sententia et ita factum est in hac de baptismo quaestione. nam ueritate postea liquidius reuelata cessit error ueritati, cum illa saluberrima consuetudo etiam plenarii concilii auctoritate firmata est. bene tamen quod totiens meminerunt etiam primum apostolorum Petrum potuisse aliter sapere quam ueritas postulabat.
For just as the good and the evil, not having one hope, can nevertheless have one baptism, so those to whom the Church is not common can have baptism in common. Zosimus of Tarassa said: 'When the truth has been revealed, let error yield to truth, since Peter also, who formerly circumcised, yielded to Paul preaching the truth.' This opinion too can be ours, and so it was done in this question concerning baptism. For when the truth was afterward more clearly revealed, error yielded to truth, when that most salutary custom was confirmed even by the authority of a plenary council. Yet it is well that they so often recalled that even Peter, the first of the apostles, could think otherwise than the truth demanded.
因為正如善人與惡人雖不同有一個指望,卻仍能同有一洗;照樣,那些教會不與之相通的人,也能同有洗禮。塔拉薩的佐西謨說:「真理既已顯明,就讓錯謬向真理讓步,因為彼得從前行割禮,也向宣講真理的保羅讓了步。」這見解也可以是我們的,在這洗禮的問題上正是如此行了。因為當真理後來更清楚地顯明時,錯謬便向真理讓步,那極有益的慣例甚至藉全體會議的權威得了確立。然而,他們一再提及連使徒之首彼得也能有異於真理所要求的想法,這是好的。
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quod accidisse etiam Cypriano sine ulla eius contumelia credimus quicumque diligimus Cyprianum, quia non eum fas est diligi maiore caritate quam Petrum. Iulianus,,, a Telepte dixit: Scriptum est: nemo potest accipere aliquid, uisi datum illi fuerit de caelo. si haeresis de caelo est, potest baptisma dare . Audiat et alium dicentem: \'si auaritia de caelo est, potest baptisma dare.\' et tamen dant auari; sic ergo et haeretici. Faustus a Timida Regia dixit: Non sibi blandiantur qui haereticis patrocinantur. qui pro haereticis ecclesiastico baptismo intercedit illos christianos et nos haereticos facit, Huic respondetur:
That this happened even to Cyprian, without any reproach to him, we who love Cyprian believe—whoever we are who love him—because it is not lawful for him to be loved with a greater charity than Peter. Julianus of Telepte said: 'It is written: No one can receive anything unless it be given him from heaven. If heresy is from heaven, it can give baptism.' Let him hear another also saying: 'if covetousness is from heaven, it can give baptism.' And yet the covetous do give; so then also do heretics. Faustus of Timida Regia said: 'Let not those flatter themselves who patronize heretics. He who intercedes on behalf of heretics for the ecclesiastical baptism makes them Christians and us heretics.' To this it is answered:
我們這些愛居普良的人——凡我們愛他的人——都相信這事甚至也臨到居普良,而毫不損他的聲譽;因為愛他不可過於愛彼得。特勒普特的猶利安說:「經上記著:『若不是從天上賜的,人就不能得什麼。』若異端是從天上來的,它便能施洗。」讓他也聽另一人說:「若貪婪是從天上來的,它便能施洗。」然而貪婪者確實施洗;那麼異端也是如此。提米達雷吉亞的浮士德說:「凡庇護異端的人不要自我阿諛。凡為異端代求教會的洗禮的人,便使他們成為基督徒、使我們成為異端。」對此回答:
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